Posts by FatFreek 2005

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When did WT recently change the Insight on the Scriptures -- that 31 year old Bible encyclopedia?

by FatFreek 2005 in

i would like to pinpoint when watchtower made a dramatic backward editorial change in their 31 year old insight on the scriptures, their flagship bible encyclopedia.

below, number 1 quotes the insight book as it appeared in the original release back in june 1988.. 1.

“this is also illustrated by what happened to the cities of sodom and gomorrah and their inhabitants.

FatFreek 2005

I would like to pinpoint when Watchtower made a dramatic backward editorial change in their 31 year old Insight on the Scriptures, their flagship Bible encyclopedia.

Below, number 1 quotes the Insight book as it appeared in the original release back in June 1988.

1. “This is also illustrated by what happened to the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah and their inhabitants. Jude indicated that these cities were everlastingly destroyed. (Jude 7; compare 2Pe 2:6.) However, Jesus’ words recorded in Matthew 10:15 show that at least some of the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah will receive a resurrection.” Insight on the Scriptures (Jun 17, 1988), V1, p 616, Source WT Lib 2013 [version 15.0 Build 4577]

Below, number 2 quotes the Insight book as it appears today -- well, as of a few months ago when I downloaded their WT Library from JW dot org.

2. "Thus, being consigned to Gehenna refers to utter destruction from which no resurrection is possible.—See GEHENNA.

“Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities about them . . . are placed before us as a warning example by undergoing the judicial punishment of everlasting fire.” (Jude 7) That punishment evidently applies not merely to the physical cities but to their inhabitants as well, because it was the people themselves who committed the gross sins that led to their annihilation." Insight on the Scriptures, [Source WT Library 2017 [Version 19.0 Build 7630] V1, p 617

Number 1 is from my WT Lib 2013.

They apparently made the editorial change (from Sodomites being resurrected to Sodomites not being resurrected) between those two library releases.

I don't have WT Libs between those two.

If any of you have a tween Lib, please check to see if yours matches either of the above.

If different than the 2013 Lib, please paste the source information by clicking "Help" then "About Watchtower Library". It should look something like the following image:

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From Being Slain to Oral Sex

by snugglebunny in

this is a follow-on to my earlier post 'the slain of jehovah'.

so we're sat in a cafe with my old friend of over 40 years, together with his wife.

actually, it's 50 years.

FatFreek 2005

zeb

wt 1978Feb 15th p 30 seems to have been removed.. funny that.. Reminds me of the call to get rid of all the wt libraries a time back.. a few commentators here were quoting stuff the gb didn't like being reminded of.

Nope -- both my latest CDs have it intact. Here's the quote from the Library as downloaded a few months (Feb) ago.

The Watchtower, 1978 2/15 pp. 30-31 Questions From Readers ***

"Beyond these basic guidelines the Scriptures do not go and, hence, we cannot do more than counsel in harmony with what the Bible does say. In the past some comments have appeared in this magazine in connection with certain unusual sex practices, such as oral sex, within marriage and these were equated with gross sexual immorality. On this basis the conclusion was reached that those engaging in such sex practices were subject to disfellowshiping if unrepentant. The view was taken that it was within the authority of congregational elders to investigate and act in a judicial capacity regarding such practices in the conjugal relationship.

A careful further weighing of this matter, however, convinces us that, in view of the absence of clear Scriptural instruction, these are matters for which the married couple themselves must bear the responsibility before God and that these marital intimacies do not come within the province of the congregational elders to attempt to control nor to take disfellowshiping action with such matters as the sole basis. Of course, if any person chooses to approach an elder for counsel he or she may do so and the elder can consider Scriptural principles with such a one, acting as a shepherd but not attempting to, in effect, “police” the marital life of the one inquiring."

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2019-March-File!

by Atlantis in

2019-march-announcements and reminders.. https://we.tl/t-ezzkzv9q6n petra!

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FatFreek 2005

Tech49 "There it is.! No more WT Libraries on DVD/CD-ROM."

Yeah, that put a lump in my throat for a moment, However, the following image is on JW dot org, with the download link right behind. This is not to say they won't turn off this spigot in future but as of several weeks ago the link worked. After downloading, you have an ISO file and on Windows, right click and the proceeding menus will step you through the process.

https://www.jw.org/en/whats-new/watchtower-library-download/#?insight[search_id]=fcb70aff-2a18-449d-9e4b-f4407ff52705&insight[search_result_index]=3

Or just click here.Len Miller

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Letter to my sons, why I left WT -- 1975 and lies were reasons

by FatFreek 2005 in

several months ago i wrote a letter to two of my sons, still jw.

the letter is 41 years belated.

i am now 78 years old so this was a bucket list item.

FatFreek 2005

AngusBeef you have a PM.

Len

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Letter to my sons, why I left WT -- 1975 and lies were reasons

by FatFreek 2005 in

several months ago i wrote a letter to two of my sons, still jw.

the letter is 41 years belated.

i am now 78 years old so this was a bucket list item.

FatFreek 2005

Thanks, Introvert2

Len Miller

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Letter to my sons, why I left WT -- 1975 and lies were reasons

by FatFreek 2005 in

several months ago i wrote a letter to two of my sons, still jw.

the letter is 41 years belated.

i am now 78 years old so this was a bucket list item.

FatFreek 2005

Hi WingCommander,

Thanks for your memory about the early 1980's. However, I left in the late 70s so was out of the loop as to what was going on at that time.

Len Miller

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Baptised 52 years today!

by Phoebe in

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january 29th - my baptism date.

can you remember how you felt at your baptism?.

i got baptised because my dad kept frightening me.

FatFreek 2005

Correction: The day of the week was Saturday, so it must've been November 3, 1956. Thank you, Google.

The venue was Westerly, RI.

I met Carolyn Cashen there who was with her parents from Harwich, Mass. She went with me to my Junior Prom at New Bedford H.S.

Len

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Baptised 52 years today!

by Phoebe in

jw
friends

january 29th - my baptism date.

can you remember how you felt at your baptism?.

i got baptised because my dad kept frightening me.

FatFreek 2005

Here it is.

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Baptised 52 years today!

by Phoebe in

jw
friends

january 29th - my baptism date.

can you remember how you felt at your baptism?.

i got baptised because my dad kept frightening me.

FatFreek 2005

I guess I'm the old codger here at age 78. I was baptized 3 days before my 16th birthday. It was November 4, 1956.

Ed Dunlap would give the featured talk on Sunday. You can read his sad tale of exiting WT in Ray Franz's book. A bit about him in the following youtube link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PkosDW_uF4

Here, I had just been dunked along with a native American. I always wondered why he retained his headdress. One dictionary defines it this way: "an ornamental covering or band for the head, especially one worn on ceremonial occasions."

Len Miller

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THIS IS IT Tony Morris Identifies King of Norht

by scotoma in

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this is the announcement we have heard “about” but now it has been released to the whole world.

its in the 2nd of a three part serries about the jw annual meeting (oct 2018).

to minute 52. .

FatFreek 2005

Beginning with sentence 4, Morris used the expression "prayerfully considering" 4 times, count 'em, by the time he finished sentence 7.

Remembering the TMS some 42 years ago we called that "repetition for emphasis". I think, however, that this time he overcooked it.

Len